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's going to get hit and when. first, more dishonest from the white house on obama care. americans don't trust the administration and for good reason. they haven't been straight forward about anything. "the new york times," of all places, reporting over the weekend what we told you about all along. the president's health care law is about taking from one group and giving to another. aka redistributing. here's the key quote from "the new york times," reminding us what the administration has been trying to hide all along. quote, the redistribution of wealth has always been a central feature of the law and lies at the heart of insurance market disruptions driving political attacks this fall. conservatives like me think he's a socialist. but the president doesn't always see it that way. here's what he said last week. >> i would distinguish between the rhetoric and the tactics. >> yeah. >> versus the ideological differences. i mean, in most countries, you've got -- people called me a socialist sometimes. no, you've got to reach real socialists. you'll have a sense of what a socialist is. >>
defend this abject failure? it's the bigotry of low standards. you just don't expect competition from a black leader. by smearing helpful critics, you weren't hiding under a hood but you didn't have to. you had the false armor of political correctness as cover. as everyone is finally admitting, our emperor in the white house has no clothes. even obama admits obama care's a disaster. i guess he's racist too. hopefully this whole thing is ending, a.t., because everybody was scared. >> yes, so no one focused on what was in the bill. they were too busy on who is criticizing him and is there raci racism? >> i should be encouraging it. although if you look at his -- for people who work for him, i don't want him to be nude. bob, is it a problem that if all criticism is deemed racist, that no one will criticize? >> i don't agree with the premise. i know we're going to pick out some -- we've got some sound on tape here about some liberals who have made comments about people being racist. the lion's share, massive majority of people on the left do not believe that people are racist because they
to do that. you can't sell anything to the american people any more. i don't know what happened to this great communicator barack obama that we all voted for you aren't communicating my friend. if you don't your numbers are going to go down and down and down. >> i think that has been one of their problems. they thought they could communicate their way out of every problem. kimberly, when you look at some of the policy problems ting finally caught up to them. >> they can no longer float in rhetoric. you may call him the great communicator yif you don't have any substance behind it you are just a suit. the american public has become so weary he has talked so much it is almost like white noise. if he would go into campaign mode and go out and give a series of speeches and connect with the people and move them he would send the surrogates out on the sunday news talk show he would work the mainstream media to be able to effectuate a spin. the feeling across the board in his approval ratings whether it is immigration or foreign policy everything else is not doing well for him. they ha
they don't have the numbers. >> no, we don't have that data. we're not going to have that data on an hourly basis. >> i don't have the numbers. >> how many have signed up thus far? >> fully enrolled? i can't tell you because i don't know. >> okay, greg, they still don't know and they aren't projected to know any time soon. >> yes, six people. there are more bodies in beckle's bed right now than that. >> ew. >> the upside, the only number piers morgan beats in the demo. thought i'd get a piers morgan jab in. no, it's incredible. it's amazing. it's almost as though you can't be this incompetent by accident. it's like there's a secret olympic event among bureaucrats to see how bad they can be. this is like incredible. it's almost like inspiring how awful they are. >> how could this happen? you look back at president obama. the first digital president. how well he ran his campaign. do you think david axelrod would have let only six people per day donate to obama's re-election? i doubt that. >> or if they would have admitted it. when gur governing, it's different. if the president wants an answe
, you've got problems. he can't sell anything to the american people anymore. i don't know what happened to this great communicator, barack obama, that we all voted for, at least i did in 2008. even the guy i voted for in 2012. start communicate, my friend. if you don't, your numbers are going to go down and down. >> i think that's been one of their be pros. they felt they could communication their way out of every problem. kimberly, when you look at the policy problems, has it finally just all caught up? the policy so so bad, they can no longer maintain? >> they can no longer cloak it in rhetoric. you may call him the great communicator but if you don't have any substance behind it, you're just a suit. the american people have grown weary. he has talked so much that it's almost like white noise when you listen to it. they're not really taking it in. before, it used to work very well. he would go into campaign mode. he would give a series of speeches and connect with the people and move them. he would send surrogates out to the sunday news shows and he would work the pup pepts in the mai
. this mocker reis not in the norm. don't blame me if i enjoy it especially over the last six years comedians have suffered from obama jokes unable to poop a single one. now it is coming oh you tell. communie even with a web site h can't get it up. obama has gone from cloud nine to punch line which is encouraging if it ends there. all of those senators that met with the president in a panic painted by the obama be care tured brush they need your help, out the door, who cares if they are panicking it's too late. they have voted for obamacare is like the titanic voting for the iceburg. they may be bailing on obamacare but it is bailing on them. if that's not part of the plan despite all of these whity gags talking about obamacare truly the joke is on all of us. >> that's not a hangover monologue, i don't know. >> you think president obama is crushed that he has lost the stars? >> couldn't get the web site up. >> they cut away, the song is funny it was about two minutes long we showed 35 seconds. it was hilarious they cut to the audience, the real true republican conservatives the heart and soul
? it's the bigotry of low standards. you just don't expect compensate from a black leader and by smearing helpful critics, your own prejudice slips by.bu you weren't hiding. you had the false armor of political correctness as cover. but as everyone is finally admitting, the emperor in the white house has no clothes. even obama admits obamacare is disaster. i guess he's racist, too. hopefully this whole thing is ending because race baiting provided a shield that allowed obama to fail because everybody was scared. >> yep. so no one focused on what was in the bill. they were too busy focusing on who is credit criticizing him and are there racial undertones to that criticizing. you said he has no clothes. so you're anti-nudist now. >> that's so true.s i should be encouraging that. although if you look at the people that work for him, i don't want him to be nude. bob, isn't the problem obvious that, if all criticism is deemed racist, then no one willr criticize? >> i don't agree with the premise. i know you're going to pick out -- we've got some sound on tape here about some li
't afford the bronze plan, people who don't qualify for medicaid because they make a little too much. at the same time there are poor people and they may not qualify for the pronz plan. what i'm hearing two-thirds of the people who get these cancellation notices they will actually be offered plans that are better and going to get subsidies from the government. another third will have to pay more, younger, healthier people. then that smaller group that has people who are poor but not poor enough to qualify for medicare is the one that really concerns them. >> juan, this is bob. by the way, the aei is a right-wing think tank, about the last place i would go for any definitive numbers. leaving that aside, did they say anything about the legislation that the republicans passed in the house? >> no. i mean, look, this is very interesting, bob. basically the attitude was look the republicans don't want to work with us. they are totally opposed to anything. and they are delighting in our trouble. but the fact is they think once the market gets stabilized, once everything is in place, once th
. call a spade a spade he said. >> i don't recall significant discussions around some of the verbiage around this to be 100 percent honest with you. >> do you believe it was a wrong move? >> certainly. >> ron barn yea call it had a singing indictment of the obama practices that led to it. he said incompetence and deception doomed the launch of the affordable care act as long as the president sticks with the team that failed the country and lied it is fair to assume he hasn't learned the most basic lessons from the launch. this week end fraught page story of the wall street journal on saturday and "washington post" on sunday it became quite clear, they didn't even try to de p fend it, politics instructs policy in the lead out and roll up. >> politics trump. i spent the whole weekend wall street journal "washington post" i read a lot of stuff. forbes. >> i was consuming everything i could possibly consume. two things became clear. this is obama's statement. he wanted the web site up and running. it was going to be his shining moment his shining accomplishment. that was it politics over
we said. he wasn't a liar back then, i don't think. he may have been told that. maybe he honestly was told by his people's handlers you're not going to be thrown off. >> disagree. >> maybe he was. give him the benefit of the doubt. up until he realized what's going on, he may not have lied. he looked to this group and said, i said you can keep it if things don't change and if. last night the president is a liar last night. >> i disagree. he's not lying. he's footnoting. footnoting is common. he does this with michelle. michelle, i quit smoking. cigarettes. i do it all the time. obama loves to campaign. he's not big on leading. what happens when you campaign a lot is, your words are weightless. in a way he's like a talk show host who can keep talking and talking and talking and realize that there is never any action committed to what we are doing as the talk show host. however, he is president. he is not a talk show host. therefore, his words have consequence. they have action. he doesn't realize that. he thinks in a way what he is doing right now is beneath him. there is another j
ship. bill clinton providing cover for hillary and here are some of the others. >> i don't think it has been a disaster it has been another joke. i am up to that. but i am hoping i have no idea how this is going to work on on november 30th. >> i personally believe even if it makes new law he needs to help those people keep their insurance. >> i have my own business my policies got canceled even before the affordable care act. >> bigger problems than fixing the web site. the fact that nobody believes anything they say any more. >> uh-oh. uh-oh. uh-oh. >> 106,000. >> why didn't you come to me first on this good news. the bigger problem, for the first time i can remember the right media and the mainstream media have come together now and are bludgeoning this. i don't know one reporter save schultz on msnbc who is now defending this. that causes real problems. the amen corner isn't there. >> they were expecting 500,000 after a month. they expected 7 million. these numbers are disaster. >> if we had single payer. >> bob is making an interesting point. the irony of it is president obama just
involved. that's where we're at right now with the obama care. i'm not a health care expert but you don't have to be to see what's going wrong. this plan is not workable. why does he not realize that? why are we worried about poll numbers? this is not working. it's a disaster. why does he not acknowledge it? why are liberals marching into the white house to get a message down? why are we having nuclear talks on thursday about 51 votes? this is an emergency. he would defuse a lot of resistance if he would admit this is the point we're at right now. >> yes, bob, answer all that -- >> first of all, for -- let me make a point he ought to go back. there are two presidents who had lower ratings and came way back up. so that's the answer to your -- your point. in this case, you don't believe it works. eric, nobody around this table with the exception of me thinks there's probably some hope for it. obama believes it works. he thinks there's a way. now, you can argue the policy. and if it is impossible, obama's presidency is pretty much over. >> i don't think he really believed it's going to wor
't afford. >> they live side by side. >> they're not mandated bob. >> i don't think you can not pay medicare payments. >> you're not mandated to buy it, though. >> let me get in here, as this thing progresses and gets worse my prediction is it doesn't collapse. i can't see the biggest spender in history letting this thing spiral on its own. he will take massive amounts of money to keep it afloat. but what if they have to say let's step in here and the government take control? >> it's hard for me to imagine an america today where that political conversation could take place and be successful. possibly in some of the states. you might be able to do a state-based experiment in vermont or somewhere where there's the political will to do that. in the recent book called "double down," they recount a scene in which president obama gets very frustrated with everybody telling him what to say and how to say it and he says why don't i just go out there and say what i really think about all of these things, climate change, health care, and he has a whole long list. and it would be refreshing to be able
the misleading message of you can keep your insurance if you want to and he had to call a spade a spade. >> i don't recall significant discussions around some of the verbiage on this to be 100% honest with you. >> do you agree it was a wrong move? >> certainly. >> one respected d.c. journalist took it a step further, offering a stinging indictment of the obama administration practices that led to this. he wrote, incompetence and deception doomed the launch, as long as the president stick, with the team that failed the country and lied, it is fair to assume that he hasn't learned the most basic lessons from the launch. this weekend, from paint story of "the wall street journal" on saturday and then "washington post" on sunday. it became quite clear, and they didn't even really try to defend it, that politics trumped policy and truth in the rollout of obama care. >> politics trumped -- >> we think alike. >> absolutely. i spent the whole weekend, "washington post," "forbes," -- >> boring weekend. >> i was consuming everything i could because this was important and the public wants to know ways going
we're all in a deep crunch. 8:00 p.m. tonight. you don't get it ch. >>> hello everyone. i'm kimberly along with bob, greg, dana. this is the five. >>> president barack obama s the website prevented too many americans from competing the enrollment process. that's on us. i'll have to win back credibility. that's on me. that's on us. that's on me. not on them, on us. this one is deserved. it's on us. >> after years of lying about his signature health care law and weeks after it launched disastrous result, those words you heard are president barack obama and for a good reason. a fox poll shows most americans thinks the president knowly lied to get the obama care passed. not a good place to be. today he offered a solution to stop the bleeding and attempt to salvage a legacy. >> people that have plans predating the affordable care act can keep those plans if they haven't changed. today we're going to extend both to people who's plans have changed since the law took effect and people who bought plans since the law took effect. >> ask yourself, can we really take president barack
and make sure it runs smoothly. i want you all to meet pat connors. >> hello, everyone. >> don't hello us, pat. this is -- you are responsible for it now and it is not working out what a the hell are you going to do about it? >> oh. well, i'm just sort of getting acclimated to the situation. >> getting lack mated? do you know how much money we waste order this thing? how much you take some damned responsibility? get out of here. you are fired! get out! >> here is some advice from bill clinton. >> so i personally believe that even if it takes changing the law, the president should honor the commitment to the federal government made though-to-those people and let them keep what they've got. >> thanks, bubba. all right. it looks like the president was backed -- >> i'm sorry i'm laughing. >> you don't like the music. >> it was like they made it at home on a youtube individual go first let's go "south park" even though you were laughing more about bill clinton than "south park." they are going after the administration. >> right. you can look at any comedy show when obama care has been going on
going on. it is a while in dc circles they don't get along. a lot of people are speculating why he would do that. this didn't help president obama at all. because he now hads to do something. what do you do? do you continue to have 50,000 enrollees or do you make changes? jay carney said we understand what he had to say. maybe the president is looking it all up. >> i will make one last point. he could look at it another way. bill clinton real lipped president obama today. he basically took away the dam and now the water can flow out obama can say i am going to have to make some changes ear. it stops the guesswork out of it. it could be a forcing action. >> the only thing i thought about this i talked to different people, it would be to delay the penalty. there are a number of bills out there. mary landrieu has a bill out there. president clinton said he should honor the commitment. there's no way you can honor the commitments. you can'ten honor them. the plans are gone unless you have a time machine you can fix these mandates there is no way you can fix this thing? what do you think they
. >> it wasn't in november. >> abraham lincoln dedicated the day. >> correct. i don't know what year it was. he decided it was going to be the fourth thursday in november. >> i love the story of the may flower. i always loved it and thought it was great. i'm not going to come down too hard on the kids. i hope they learn and love it like i did. >> american history is important. the principles of the country was founded on the unique history. shouldn't students and adults still remember it. >> i was teaching politics class in new jersey. i brought my kids in high school. i said i want everyone here to name the presidents. my two kids had them exactly right. not one of the 25 in the graduate class could name more than 80%. it was amazing to me. not only that, they couldn't write. i think history is important. the history repeats itself. particularly in politics. study that. we talked last week about liberals are they dead? the cycles are cycles. the fact you don't know this is sad commentary. >> even parts that rnaren't gre about our history. sometimes we avoid it and don't want to get into histor
this man? >> thank you. >> actually that's me. don't give money to beggars like me. i'm told governments must spend more. >> medicare, medicaid, snap and social security will reduce poverty. >> but does government really help the poor? >> everybody in cleveland low minority got obama phones! >> by any measurement, this isn't working! >> i'm glad more people have figured that out. even the singer, bono. >> commerce, entrepreneurial capitalism takes more people out of poverty. >> even some in the mainstream media. >> if you wait until the government comes in, you'll be in for a long wait. >> wow. if they get it, maybe soon more people will realize there are better ways to give. >> beautiful. >> real charity. that's our show tonight. >> and now, john stossel. >> what is real charity? some people are in trouble, say after a disaster, or simply when people are poor, americans' instinct is to think, how can government help? after all, who will help those people if not government? we libertarians argue private charity would step in, individuals freely choosing to help. but what enough of us hel
claimed all along that they didn't have the numbers. >> we don't have -- 48 hours, wn don't have that data and won't have that data on a daily ornot hourly basis for you. >> well, i don't have the numbers yet. >> how many have signed up thus far? >> fully enrolled? i can't tell you, because i don'tr know.t t >> okay, greg, they still don'to know andka they aren't projected to know any time soon. >> yeah. six people. there are more bodies inple. beckel's bed right now than that. this is the upside for cnn. it's the only number appears morgan beats modemo. amazing. almost as though you can't beas this incompetent by accident. it's like there is a secret. olympic event among bureaucratsr to see howet bad they could be, how much money they can spend to do the very worst thing 'cause nobody does this by accident! this is like incredible. it's almost inspiring how awful they are. >> dana, how could this happen? you look back at president obama, the first digital president, how well he ran his campaign. do you actually think that david axelrod would have let only six people per day donate to obam
sfeshl protection. all things being equal, this isn't. don't blame me if i enjoy it. over the last six years our nation's comedians are unable to pop a single joke. everyone laughs that the community organizers leads to mass citizen leadership. even with the website, he can't get it up. obama has gone from cloud nine to punch line. it's encouraging. all the the senators that met yesterday with the president in a panic over being painted by the obama care terd brush, they need help out the door. wusses voted for obama care like tit titan titanic. let them sing. despite witty gags mocking obama care achievement truly the joke on s on all of us. >> that's a hang over monologue. >> at a time, i don't know. >> do you think president barack obama is crushed eric that he's lost the stars of the country music scene? >> couldn't get it -- >> couldn't get the website up. >> got you. >> so they cut away. the song was funny. it was about two minutes long. we took 35 seconds. we should have done the whole thing. they cut to the audience. you see the real true conservative republicans heart and sou
clinton providing some cover for hillary, and here are some of the others. >> i don't think that the rollout has been a disaster. it's been another joke. i'm totally up to that. i'm hoping, but i have no idea how this thing is going to work out on november 30th, but they've got a lot riding on it. >> i personally believe, even if it takes a change to the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they've got. >> i think the president was grossly misleading to the american public. i know right away as a veterinarian, i have my own business, that my policies got canceled even before the affordable care act. >> there are bigger problems other than the fact that nobody believes what they say anymore. >> uh-oh. uh-oh. uh-oh. 106 know. >> gee, why did you come to me first on this good news? i'll tell you the bigger problem. for the first time that i can remember, the right media and the mainstream media have come together now and are bludgeoning this. i don't know of one reporter save schultz on msnbc who's now
you want to talk to me about? >> we know you don't have health insurance. >> we love you no matter what, but it's time to get covered. >> that's it? health insurance? >> it's important. >> i know. and i'll do it. >> so that's what they want you to do. brian joins us today. >> yes. >> that's what they want you to do over thanksgiving. >> role play? role play? i'll be the nasty self-obsessed child who doesn't want to get health insurance so they feel they can get a slice of life that will alarm people to go out and get health care. it's not going to be effective. no one sits down at the table even on thanksgiving. they're grabbing stuff, going, watching football, talking to their cousins. i am fascinated by the role play slice of life acting that's going on right now. are they casting or fixing it? >> sounds like you don't have fun role play, that that's sort of your problem. >> you have other kinds -- anyway. >> yes. >> so the table, obama care. any chance? >> it's just so pathetic. this is so desperate because they need the young, healthy people. they have to suck the money out of
of people in the building love history. a lot of kids don't pay attention to history. >> do they know 1621, the first thanksgiving? >> i think so. why are you looking at me. >> was that the date? >> that was the date. >> it was in november. know a lot of things. >> it wasn't in november? >> it actually wasn't in november. >> abraham lincoln dedicated the day. >> correct. abraham lincoln around 18 -- i don't know what year it was. he decided it was the fourth thursday in november that's why it's so late this year. >> i love the story of the mayflower. i always loved it. i thought it was great. i'm not going to come down too hard on the kids. >> american history is important. the principles the country was founded on, our very unique history. shouldn't children know it? shouldn't adults remember it? >> i have a graduate from politics at george washington university. i brought my two kids in who graduated from high school. my two kids had them exactly right. the other -- not one of the 25 of my graduating class could name more than 80%. it was amazing to me. not only that, they couldn't write
figuring their tax credit. and so at least for right now, i don't -- i'm not going to be getting insurance. >> well, millions of americans are frustrated with the president and his deceit. and it's showing in the polls. opposition to obama care has just hit a record high. 57% oppose it. and gallup says more than half the country doesn't think the government should be involved in our health care in the first place. so greg, before we get into the poll numbers, most politicians use these stories like sam in iowa. i was on a farm and i met john, a small business owner. they can come back and bite politicians if they're not vetted properly. this one turns out to be a horror story much like the woman they initially put on the website who wasn't even a citizen. now two women are embarrassed. >> yeah. you know you're in trouble when your props are falling apart. i think obama is a genius because he realizes that laughter is really the best medicine. and obama care, in a way, lowers your stress by being hilariously incompetent. so in a way he's making us all feel better by being such a disaster. b
. listen to this. >> i don't think you can tell what will happen next year but i will tell you this, democrats stand tall in support of the affordable care act. we have great candidates who are running. >> we could be in a much different place three or four months from now. this is an enormously challenging time. the political notion that the republican platform's going to be getting rid of health case millions of people will be signed up. it's an impossibility. >> i'll start with bob today. bob, it was your birthday last week. you've had a great weekend. you're hitting the ground running. tell us, do you believe pelosi when she says the democrats are standing tall and that when he says they've got nothing to worry about? >> i tell you, they are very disciplined. they had a caucus. the ones that voted for the republican bill are ones who clearly are in marginal districts. i think what he said has some merit. there will be millions signed up for this. for better or for worse. that means you're going to be taking on people who now have insurance because of the affordable care act. and
're not mandated, bob, this is the new wrinkle -- >> i don't think -- you've got to pay fica. >> you're not mandated to buy it though. >> let me get dana in here. my prediction is it doesn't collapse. can't see the biggest spender in history, president obama, letting this thing death spiral on its own. i think he's going to throw mass itch amounts of money to keep it afloat. will they have an opportunity to make the case for single payer if they don't get the enrollments? and they have to say, let's step in here and the government take control? >> it's hard for me to imagine an america today where that political conversation could take place and be successful. possibly in some of the states. you might be able to do a state-based experiment in vermont or some place like that. where there would be the political will to be able to do that. in the recent book that was just released called "double down," and they wrote "game change,," the 2008 campaign. they recount a scene in which president obama gets very frustrated with everybody telling him what to say and how to say it. he says, why
with the breaking details on that meeting. don't go anywhere. but first, it was a busy day on the hill today where the woman many see as the face of the obama care failures was taking heated questions from senators frustrated senators. and republicans who warned that obama care was an atomic bomb about to be dropped on america. >> i am accountable to this committee and to the american public for getting the fixes in place. and we are committed to getting healthcare.gov fixed. >> you've been misleading the american people and the president has over and over and over again. and i would much rather you come up and say, yeah, we were wrong, didn't tell the truth. you, madame secretary must make good on that promise. >> in the last five weeks, access to healthcare.gov has been a frustrating experience for far too many of these americans. it's unacceptable, i'm focused on fixing it and i'm accountable. >> you said america should hold you accountable, which is why today i repeat my request for you to resign. >> resign? we know that's not going to happen. accountability? please. people are frustrated, oba
don't know how you keep your cool, madam secretary, you know, with this continuous effort on the part of the g.o.p. to sabotage the aca. >> almost desperate now, the democratic party is trying to blame the republicans for the obama care debacle. will that work? we have no spin analysis. ♪ joy to the world ♪ the savior reigns. >> once again, school district tries to ban christmas carols even though a court has refute united stated -- repudiated that. megyn kelly on the case. the factor. you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. >> hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. the end justifying the means. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. we are in the twilight zone. america has entered another dimension. yesterday in boston president obama continued his campaign of mislead leading statements. >> now, if you had one of these substandard plans before the affordable care act became law, and you really like that plan, you are able to keep it that's what i said when i was running for office. that was part of the promise we m
became a problem, i don't know. >> because the bill was never read. the bill was like the bad sushi you buy without checking the selby date or smelling it. you go home, have it and throw up. >> you have the worst digestive system. >> i do. >> all these things happened because no one read it and no one cared. they believed in the greater good of this giant bill. it's going to save everybody. then you start biting into it and everybody is sick. >> remember when pelosi said you have to pass the bill to find out what is in it. you had to pass it for people called crazy, racist and mean saying this idea is not going to work. nothing personal,itis about the idea and the policy. now that it isn't working, it's difficult for democrats because julia mentioned the website not working. maybe they will get it to the point -- there's two things i saw today where they might not get it to the point. one was that jeffrey who is in charge of trying to fix it all reports the more people get on, the more problems they are finding. remember when you said it was like pulling the string on the sweater? the s
.o how this didn't get taken care of, i don't know.le >> because the billm was never read. the bill was like the bad sushi you buy without checking the sell by date. you go and throw up. >> you have the worstup. digestive system. all of these things happened because that one read it and no one cared. they believed in the greater b good of the giant bill coming from the print. it is going to save everybody. then you start biting into it and everybody is sick. >> remember when they said you had to pass the bill by finding out what is in it? you had to pass it to find outod those who are crazy, racist and mean and they say this idea is not going to wok. a it is about the idea and policy. now that it isn'tg working it is difficult for democrats especially because you mentioned the website not for working and maybe they willde get it to the point. two things i saw today where m they might not get to the point it is actually, woulding by though 30th which wasot the self-imposed date. he is in charge of trying to ticks it all and he -- trying to fix it all. the more he gets on, the more pr
says you don't have to do it any more you stop doing it. that's the pure and simple truth. this is all about the numbers wracking up on cancellations. that was 5 million, 15 million when the employer mandat,e kks in.oo 50, 80, 90 million people they are not signing anybody up. it was getting more and more skewed. they will continue to show 100,000 signed up or fewer 5,210,000. >> 90 percent of people covered by employers or the government or whatever. that means 10-15 percent have their own plans. how many is that? >> 42 million.co 50 percent of that is 45 million ballpark. >> too much math for me.t' we are going to go the pink and black end of the table. >> i can't believe no one has pointed out how racist president obama is. if you questioned or tried to change any part of obamacare you were a racist.me that is what msnbc was saying for two weeks. the only air bag in the car is obama and it didn't go off. this is a failure and it hangs on him. also the media refused to tell obama that obamacare was a horrible death trap. it's like telling them they have an ugly kid. everybody is stuc
look, here's the bottom line. i don't want to rely to which on the polls. when you look at the cbs poll where 43% say repeal the thing outright, they know there's not a majority for that right now and that the republicans are going to keep pushing to defund it, repeal it, et cetera. i think more worrisome is that the cbs poll says change this law. the president tried to stall and buy more time by doing this executive fix. it's not really clear that he has executive power to delay these cancellation notices by one year. he's got the state insurance commissioners here at the white house trying to convince them to go along with this plan but you know full well it's not just republicans any more on the hill, there are some moderate democrats as well in the senate, in the house, demanding changes to this law. to answer your question what's going to happen, i still don't think the law is going to be repealed so it's not going to be fully implemented as you asked, but are there going to be real substantive changes to this law? i think that's becoming more and more likely when you have this dem
minority leader pelosi and then david plouffe from the sunday shows who they think the democrats don't have a problem. listen to this. >> i don't think you can tell what will happen next year, but i will tell you this, democrats stand tall in support of the affordable care act. we have great candidates who are running. >> we could be in a much different place three or four months from now. no doubt this is an enormously challenging time. i think the political notion is the republican platform is getting rid of health care. millions of people will be signed up. it's an impossibility. >> i'm going to start with bob today because it was your birthday last week. you've had a great weekend. here you are hitting the ground running. do you believe speaker pelosi when she says that the democrats are standing tall and david plouffe when he says they've got nothing to worry about? >> one thing about democrats, they are very disdisciplined, a they had a caucus. the one that voted to the republican bill, most of whom are in marginal districts and so they did that. i think what plouffe said had some mer
. the difference is obama screwed a million people. >> anyway out of this? >> i don't think so. not at this point. the web site is the least of their problems. even when they fix the web site you have kathleen sebelius and i think this is an under reported story saying today that hhs reinvites people signing up. that translates to them sitting on millions of dollars, which they are, there was one report how much they are sitting on to try to add ties to get healthy young people into the system. because they didn't have the courage to make the penalty more than the premium they can run a our money, i still don't think they are going to have people sign up. they have doctor shortage, lack of people enrolling premiums going through the roof because of adverse selection and employer mandate which is the biggest issue in 10 months. >> the question sitting there waiting senators like to hear themselves speak, the question wasn't asked who made the call to go october 1st knowing very well there were security risks and the web site wasn't ready. >> i am sweating a little bit because i went to the maratho
his first pitch. i don't know how he gets out of this. >> this was a bad pitch. >> the greater good is now the worser bad. he taught everybody when big government succeeds, big government is evil. >> and if you look forward to 2014, you have to anticipate a lot of these businesses are probably going to start to drop coverage because that employer mandate will be running out right up into the point of the m mid firm elections. so how does the president get these stories? she be angry at the person that pd h handed him the story? >> the interesting thing for him is that later on, that woman jennifer isnsanford, she said s didn't blame the president. she actually blames the state. this has never happened to any other president. he has some sort of ability to just have all negativity rebound off of him on to somebody else. and so what they do is the political office will gather all sorts of people sending in information on twitter or facebook and they will look for good stories to tell. and i think story telling when it's factual can be very powerful because it helps you think about, ok
.gov in the coming days. isn't that the purpose? they need all the people to sign up. but the message is don't go. not many of you anyway. there are still concerns about how much the site can handle. that's a real problem for the millions of americans who have seen their insurance policies cancelled and must sign up for coverage. must sign up by december 23 in order for them and their families to have coverage in the new year. 5,500,000 people who had insurance, many of whom were happy with the insurance, got their policies cancelled thanks to this law. and now may not have insurance come 2014, thanks to the law. now they are told to stay off the website. not many at one time. on a conference call today an official with the centers for medicaid and medicare services warned there is still a lot to do over the next few days cautioning this is not a magical date. they said there will be times when the site does not perform optimally. they say there are hard drive issues, software issues, many of which need to be fixed. this from kathleen sebelius. warning earlier this week, quote, this isn't a magic
is speculative. maybe he did read the entire 974 page law. but i don't think he did, because that's not the way he rolls. in the end it really doesn't matter. americans were misled, obamacare is chaotic and they have to pay to protect themselves and their family. they continue to defend them and some of the ragszations are actually amuzing. t -- amusing. the more the apologists rant the more their ratings go down. the malfunctioning computers are racist or something that's how insane this whole thing has become. there are a number of pieces of legislation in the senate and house that would delay obamacare. president obama should fix what's broken and level with the folks. if obamacare really is best for most americans, most americans will come to that understanding. but right now it isn't. the whole thing has descended into a farce. that's what i think. next on "the rundown"" the reaction from an mit doctor who helped design obamacare and himself is now under fire. [ male announcer ] 'tis the season of more. more shopping. more dining out. and alo with it, more identity theft. by the time this
don't know. >> because the bill was never read. the bill was like the bad sushi that you buy without checking the sell by date or smelling it. you go home and throw up. that's what happened with this bill. >> you have the worst digestive system. >> the bill was -- all these things happened because no one read it and no one cared. they believed in the greater good of this giant bill coming from the pentulent prince. >> remember the sound bite? you had to pass it in order for people that were called crazy and racist and mean and other things for saying this idea is not going to work. it wasn't personal. it was about the idea and the policy. i think it's difficult for democrats, especially because, jowly, you mentioned the website not working. maybe they'll get it to the point. there's two things i saw today where they might not get to the point where it's actually working by november 30th which is the self-inposed date. one was the trying to fix it al today the more people that get on, the more problems they're finding. remember you said it was pulling the string on the sweater? >> i n
result product. they just don't know it yet. that doesn't work. that worked in the abstract before it started happening. but when people lose their health insurance, it won't work. it just won't wash. and there's no amount of cgi animation at dreamworks that's going to cover that up. >> i mean, the president is, you know, maintaining that line despite all the evidence and the polling to the contrary. and frankly, chris, that's been their position from the beginning. i mean, this law has never had the majority support of the american people. and back when it was polling under 50% when they were debating the law, all the administration continued to say was, well, if you break it down into individual pieces, then they like it, and forget what the overall polls say about how people believe. and now in the face of the poll showing the disapproval of this law and the disapproval of how he's handling this law, which you see right there, the president continues to go out and just defy reality. >> republicans have made a lot out of the danger that comes when one political party or the leade
's been since 2007. i literally don't know where he pulled that one unless -- >> it can't be possible. people were telling me don't believe that. >> i don't know. >> you think so? you think during the government shutdown people said they are not traveling for thanksgiving. >> i'm using the government shutdown for everything. >> forgot to pay your taxes. >> i'm not going to visit my family, government shutdown. >> it made sense during the shutdown because some of the smaller airports didn't have air traffic controllers. but now, i can't imagine what it is. by the way, most every airline flew during the shutdown as far as i knew. >> what he was alluding to, that somehow people were so worried what was going to happen with the government shutdown they made decisions based on the government shutdown. >> who would these people be. everyone i talked with are concerned about stuffing their face with turkey. maybe if you sign up for obama care there's a box you can check to become a aaa member or some kind of quid pro quo. >> no government shutdown for turkey. >> turkeys have to work no matte
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